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CARNE , Sir EDWARD ( c . 1500 - 1561 ), lawyer and diplomat .

The son of Howel Carne of Nash and a descendant of the princes of Gwent . Educated at Oxford (where he graduated B.C.L. 1519 , D.C.L. 1524 ), he became principal of Greek Hall in 1521 . In 1530 he was attached in a legal capacity to the embassy of the earl of Wiltshire ( Anne Boleyn 's father) to explain to Charles V at Bologna the king 's reasons for repudiating Catherine of Aragon ; thence he accompanied Bonner to Rome on legal business concerning the ‘divorce’ (on which see S.P. Hen. VIII , vii, 269 n. and Harpsfield , More , in E.E.T.S. , 1932 , 223). On a later mission to Bologna ( 1534 ), he was charged with the appeal ‘from the Bishop of Rome ill-informed and in fear of the imperialists to the Bishop of Rome better informed and in more liberty.’ On his return he served as commissioner for dissolving monasteries ( 1538-9 ), purchasing Ewenny priory (which he had leased in 1536 ) on its dissolution ( 1545 ). In 1538-9 he was sent to the Netherlands in pursuance of the king's suit for Anne of Cleves , and in 1540 to France (probably with a knighthood ) to announce the dissolution of this marriage, returning to the Netherlands on commercial mission in 1541 . Henry rewarded him with the chancellorship of Salisbury and an English sinecure rectory, but disappointed him of a Welsh living in commendam ; Pope Clement VII gratified him with a personal indulgence and one on behalf of the chapel of Holy Cross , Cowbridge , during Carne 's lifetime; the tradition that he owed his knighthood to the emperor seems to be unfounded. Under the Act of Union he became first sheriff of Glamorgan ( 1542 ), and his name appears in the county muster for the Boulogne campaign in 1544 , but he spent the entire period of the siege as resident ambassador in Brussels .

He was in retirement under Edward VI , save for membership of the Council of Wales ( c. 1551 ) and occasional consultation on diplomatic issues . Under Mary he served a second term as sheriff ( 1554 ), and as M.P. for Glamorgan ( 1554 ) he provided the first known example of the committal of a Welsh bill to a Welsh member; he was also on the commission that declared the illegality of bishop Bonner 's deposition by Cranmer ( 1553 ). Another mission to the emperor ( 1553 ) was followed by a complimentary errand, which turned into a permanent embassy, to Rome — our only independent representation abroad during the reign. Shortly before Mary 's death he asked for his recall, but arrangements for his replacement by Thomas Goldwell , bishop of S. Asaph , were interrupted by the demise of the Crown . He repeated the request on Elizabeth 's accession, but was instructed to stay at his post, without committing the Government , till a decision should be reached on relations with Rome . Till Feb. 1559 , when he was officially recalled, he was sending reports on the friendly dispositions of Rome and Spain and warnings against France . The pope refused passports for his return, and conferred on him the wardenship of the English Hospital , to which he appears to have been previously nominated by Mary , but which he later resigned to Goldwell . On his death in 1561 his friends Geoffrey (or Griffith ) Vaughan and Thomas Freeman erected a monument to his memory at the church of SS. Andrew and Gregory in Rome (photograph, text, and commentary in Reports and Trans. Cardiff Naturalists’ Soc. , lxxx, 12-15). This was defaced by the French in 1798 but restored through the good offices of the Rev. J. M. Traherne , chancellor of Llandaff , fifty years later. The inscription supports the suggestion (cf. Cal. S.P. Rome , i. 27, pp. 15, 16) that his detention in Rome was not unwelcome, since its ‘involuntary’ character saved his Glamorgan estates — swollen since 1537 by his marriage to the widow of Sir John Raglan — for his son THOMAS CARNE , who, although a recusant (as were many of the family till well on in the next cent.), was twice M.P. and thrice sheriff for his county.


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Emeritus Professor Arthur Herbert Dodd, M.A., (1891-1975), Bangor

Published date: 1959